問下有清楚VigilVendor（城堡販賣mod）開發者出什麽事情了？

blackteajing

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3 Z9 v+ ?1 q! Qhttp://www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1035
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( l& g0 v/ q" X9 B% v+ }3 NFile deleted. Thank Buddah. One of the Admins.
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5 Y) n" |6 s1 ~( DI'm leaving the nexus.
7 B9 }, u% x4 J( FWhether or not I continue to develop remains to be seen.

7 T' x) e! K! a/ q  |4 MThank you for locking my mod. A simple private message would have sufficed.

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. ^! }5 r+ Y7 S- R2 @8 y前天我還看到有更新啊,后面討論區也不明不白的。

冬風

% ]  T3 {- n# X' Y* }1 U% P我把解釋貼過來好了
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: j) r) e- O; M) X$ b# q" |好像是有人不滿作者是基於 拿到10個類似積分或加分 之後做一次更新
認為作者藉此營利之類的

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- D0 P6 O: n3 P Inverness 22:00, 30 April 2010   
   
/ g3 P6 I( C0 O. N3 T# }$ w: ]        "This mod is an endorsements for updates mod.
+ L" j* i2 X# V; ~& dEvery 10 endorsements I will release a new update to the mod! The update will always be large enough so the user has a reason to update and so People don't feel cheated."

, L, q1 V: }  n: ]I'll endorse you because I want to, not because you demand it or bribe me for it.

1 V- }8 `1 \8 U) W# O! }0 tJust because of that I'm not going to endorse your mod.
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            RetryAgain
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        Inverness is a idiot. He obviously doesn't realize that Noob is working really hard for the sake of others. No where in that quote is he bribing or demanding endorsements. He's just saying he'll update it if enough people are using and enjoy it. It's not like he gets money for your endorsement.
   
             buddah
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4 m% r  i3 S8 K# B" [+ }2 v$ T01:34, 1 May 2010        
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Admin note:
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We do not allow the solicitation of endorsements/votes/kudos

# D3 P& `: F5 u1 w# G9 e1 VIf you want to update it, update it.  If not then don't.

To make my point, this is now locked.
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The matter of people requesting others to rate and vote for their files as file of the month has been discussed several times within the staff forums over the years. With the introduction of the files of the month section authors have begun to notice that they can get more people to vote for their files if they ask people to do it, and provide a link to the process, at the top of their file description. Now, this was fine because we made no mention of whether it was allowed or not.

! K9 |& ?' ^4 dHowever I've decided to add in a few new checks on file ratings and votes to prevent authors from doing this from now on. Why you ask? Well, because only the people that are asking for votes are getting in to the top 5 of the files of the month section. This isn't a god awful terrible thing, but I'd rather every author had the oppurtunity to get their files in to the top sections without having to solicit votes and ratings from users.

% u9 D! d! P: {  D0 pThis will be offset in the near future by a new feature that will allow users to better see what files they have and haven't rated and whether they have voted for a file of the month (with some gentle encouragement if they haven't). This functionality will go hand-in-hand with a complete overhaul of the rating system in general, due to be worked on after I've finished my 4th and final year of exams at university. I haven't got £15k in to debt with student loans to throw it all away now! "


http://thenexusforums.com/index.php?showtopic=124689&st=0&p=1051472&hl=votes&fromsearch=1&#entry1051472

Buddah
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. h# i; Q* w5 E% s6 R, T; l- AVagrant0        01:44, 1 May 2010        
     
6 C$ N$ ?$ c' ^( f0 bquote  "Inverness is a idiot. He obviously doesn't realize that Noob is working really hard for the sake of others. No where in that quote is he bribing or demanding endorsements. He's just saying he'll update it if enough people are using and enjoy it. It's not like he gets money for your endorsement."
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/ z% M2 u, l- ^Unfortunately though, this is how the description can be interpreted. While the author doesn't get paid money, some do things like this just to either inflate their endorsements or to try and collect more fame for their project. The way this is presented is easy to misunderstand. If the author doesn't want people to get the wrong impression, they may wish to re-word their description or practices. However, as the author has so far had an update for every 10 endorsements thus far, their end of the deal is met. If someone decides to withhold their endorsement because they disagree with the practices, that is their business, and I can't do anything to force them to make such an endorsement. I personally disagree with holding updates ransom, or basing interest of a mod solely on endorsements, but it's not my call. You reap what you sow.
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beta400

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以下是按以上原文的概略翻譯:
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原作者的描述:
: Z- P( t9 |. y& V" d; X"這個mod是一個收取 endorsements ("支持"點數) 才會更新的 mod.
! E* o3 A+ h0 [! R0 r1 I每10個 endorsements 我才會釋出一個更新! 放心, 更新的改動會夠大的, 用戶不會感覺被騙."


Inverness22:00, 30 April 2010 (譯註: 持反對意見)
我會給你endorsement的, 如果我願意的話. 但並不是因為你要求或要向我收買.
+ E$ B; a6 I& u1 a! \0 i正因如此, 我不打算支持你的mod.

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% |5 p6 I7 H5 `0 \; w, l3 |(三十分鐘後...)
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RetryAgain 22:30, 30 April 2010 (譯註: 回應 Inverness)
" }1 Z8 a" y* _7 }) `$ BInverness是個蠢材. 他顯然不明白 Noob (原作者) 為了其他人的益處花了多大的努力. 作者說的話沒有"收買"或向你"要求"的意思. 他只使說他會更新, 如果有夠多的人使用和享受這個mod 的話. 他不大可能會因為endoresement而獲得金錢上利益吧.
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# o. V8 S! u( p( g% X% Zbuddah 01:34, 1 May 2010 (譯註: 管理員)
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Admin note (管理員提醒)

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8 r: V, ]! G6 u6 E如果你要更新, 便去更新. 不想, 便不要做.
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' L& l$ }7 G6 X8 J. {為讓我表明我的意思, 這裡被上鎖了.
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(以下只譯大意)

. h0 _: N0 E/ T! N, K. L這種問題在這幾年內, 在管理員的版上已討論過好多次了. 當引入了 "本月推介檔案" (files of the month) 部分後, 作者們開始知道他們可以向下載者要求先投他的票, 才能下載. 那時候是沒問題的, 因為沒說過不可以那麼做.

但是這個行為不再被允許了. 為甚麼呢? 因為這些作者都能進入 "本月推介" 的頭 5 位, 這不是甚麼壞事, 只是我希望每個作者都有平等的機會能上榜, 而不是使用這個手段才能成功.
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9 W5 P/ C0 c& h. u6 ~Vagrant0   01:44, 1 May 2010

1 N) ]" h0 G) @0 L# y(以下只譯大意)
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6 y% Q+ T' O( K$ u2 y2 l# E0 }: g+ i在作者沒錢賺的前提下, 這麼做只不過是想提升人氣或賺取endoresement. 不幸地作者的意思的確惹人誤會 (指原作者的話).

作者或許要把說話的用詞改變一下.

個人覺得以endoremsent換取update的做法, 或只看endoresements而做mod的心態不太妥當.  但怎也好, 這不是我可以拿主意的. 種瓜得瓜, 種豆得豆就是了.
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# {6 h  X3 P* R9 f原作者的立場也是可以理解的, 如果沒有人在用, 也沒甚麼動力製作下去了吧...
6 N. G. a9 d3 X4 f" z9 v只是有人不認同應他以 "endoresement換取更新" 的做法, 因為這非該論壇 endoremsent的本意.

1 K! K3 h% a5 T6 N( i) J" N看來, 主要原因倒不是金錢問題..而是作者的mod能否"榜上有名", 和作者之間是否能公平競爭的問題囉...

senchi

感謝大大翻譯！

我是覺得既然是無償提供，給一點endoresement也是應該的啦,
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期待開發者能繼續發表新版……現在的版本很好用，
特別是他的武器和防具箱子，一點下去就可以開，
) f$ U$ J( Z) h0 ^7 A& o不必像Traveler那樣還要講好幾句話，點好幾個選項才能開箱子……