[轉載] 3DM全球首破Denuvo加密，引發國外玩家討論

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Report – Denuvo DRM System Has Been Cracked
快報 - Denuvo 加密系統已被破解

3DM has reported that it』s been able to crack the latest DRM system, Denuvo, that was used in FIFA 15, Lords of the Fallen and Dragon Age: Inquisition.

據稱3DM已經破解了最新的加密系統（Denuvo）。包括已使用其加密的FIFA 15,墮落之王和龍騰世紀-審判。


Denuvo has been a great DRM system as it was able to protect FIFA 15 for two months and Lords of the Fallen for one whole month.

Denuvo一直是個偉大的加密系統，它能夠保護了FIFA 15 兩個月和墮落之王一個多月不被攻破。



And since Dragon Age: Inquisition – Bioware』s highly anticipated RPG – has been released with this DRM, this particular scene group a Chinese team decided to prove that everything can – eventually – be 『unlocked.』
之後，龍騰世紀：審判也公佈使用了這款加密，然而這個來自中國的破解小組決定證明，一切加密「最後」都將被徹底的破解。

As always, we do not allow links so there is really no reason at all attempting to share one – your comments will be deleted.

如往常一樣，我們禁止任何破解鏈接，所以你如果試圖發佈這些鏈接，那麼你的評論將會被無理由刪除。


Denuvo reminded us of Starforce; another DRM system that took crackers a while to crack.

Denuvo讓我們想起之前的Starforce，另一款讓破解者大費功夫的加密系統。


Some users also claimed that Denuvo was responsible for damaging their SSDs, while others claimed that Lords of the Fallen』s performance issues were due to this particular DRM system.
也有一些玩家聲稱，Denuvo會對他們的固態硬盤造成損傷，而另外一些玩家則聲稱，墮落之王的性能問題就是出自於這個加密系統。


Before closing, we should note that the Chinese team has cracked the DRM system only. This does not mean that there is any working crack at the moment, however it opens up the road for ones.

最後，我們提醒一下，那個中國團隊只是破解這個加密系統而已。並不意味著現在遊戲已經可以完美運行了，但是他們確實另闢蹊徑。


It will be interesting to see what the team responsible for this DRM will do about this whole thing, and whether it will further enhance or tweak it in order to counter-attack the attempts of the scene groups.

讓我們很感興趣的是，負責這個加密系統的團隊會對此事作出什麼反應。是對加密系統進行調整還是進一步加強，從而反擊破解小組的企圖。

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Let's take inventory. Has Denuvo really been a great system as said above?

讓我們列個清單，看看Denuvo是否真的如文中所說的是個偉大的加密系統？

- FIFA 15 releases uncrackable, protected from pirates. It sells about the same as FIFA 14 though. Where is the dramatic spike in sales from all the previously "lost sales" that should now be coming in? Somebody tell me, where are they?

- FIFA 15 發售時未被破解，從而免於盜版。但它的銷量也只是和FIFA14差不多。哪來的扯蛋銷量巔峰，那些所謂因盜版而「流失銷量」在哪，誰告訴我？


- Lords of the Fallen releases uncrackable. With no pirates to decrease the sales, surely this must score much higher than other games which are pirated to heII and back, right? FIFA fans might just all be so loyal they've always been buying the game. But no such luck. Isn't it like 10 pirates to every 1 sold copy on PC? Wasn't that what Crytek said? WHY DOESN'T THIS SELL 10 TIMES AS MUCH AS OTHER GAMES THEN??! I just don't understand. Why aren't we seeing these "lost sales" not being lost **e? Where's the incredible profit after shutting down the filthy pirates?
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墮落之王發售時未被破解，沒有盜版影響其銷量，那肯定要比其他被盜版的遊戲更能挽回銷量對吧？可能你會說FIFA的粉絲都比較忠實，會去買遊戲，但你就沒這運氣。如果就像Crytek所說的，PC每賣一個遊戲就有十個是個盜版？那為什麼你賣的遊戲不是其他遊戲的十倍多？？我只是不明白，為什麼我們看到那些「流失的銷量」還是被流失了，那些沒有盜版的驚人銷量又去哪了？

- Dragon Age Inquisition releases uncrackable. Despite no pirates hurting this, it sells about as expected. It doesn't even manage to top the charts anywhere though. Games that have cracks out for them and are being pirated are still outselling this one. How on earth is this possible?


- 龍騰世紀審判發售時未被破解，沒遭遇盜版損害，但它銷量也就預期水平，甚至還排上各地的榜首。而那些被破解和盜版的遊戲銷量還比它高。這科學嗎？


- Denuvo is said to introduce severe performance problems. Now that is regrettable but I guess that is something paying customers just have to live with, to have the satisfaction of knowing that no filthy pirates are playing the game which they paid for.

- Denuvo據說會造成嚴重的性能問題，遺憾的是我估計現在付費玩家不得不忍受這個問題，不過至少他們滿意付錢玩的遊戲沒有噁心的盜版。


- Denuvo is said to wear out SSD much faster than regular use programs. Well, if this proves to be true, at least the developers have all that sweet dough they made from not losing so many sales to pirates. They're gonna need it to deal with all the incoming lawsuits.

- Denuvo據說會比常用程序更快磨損固態硬盤，好吧，如果這被證明是真的，沒關係，開發商已經嘗到沒有盜版會流失銷量的甜頭，他們只需處理好法院的傳票就行。


Okay, enough with the jokes. I'm ultimately glad this thing came around because it finally dispelled this narrative we've been hearing all these years about lost sales. This idiotic lie that if only the option of piracy is removed, suddenly they would see much higher numbers of sold units. Well, thank you Denuvo for finally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that, this tale is simply not true.

好吧，玩笑開夠了，最後我還是很高興聽到這事，因為這麼多年來我們聽膩了有關流失銷售的論調。如果沒有了盜版，一下子他們就看到了更高的收入，這個愚蠢的謊言。好的，謝謝你Denuvo，最終你毫無疑問的證明了這點，這是扯淡。


But why isn't it the case? I think the answer is pretty obvious but I'll break down what I believe is the reason by typecasting the different kinds of pirates and pirate/consumer hybrids.

但是，為什麼是這結果？我覺得答案顯而易見，但是我想通過扮演不同的盜版消費群體來分析原因。


1. Poor Pirate

Pirates everything, simply doesn't have the money to be buying games, often times lives in a not so well off country, probably unemployed and barely scraping by. Can't spend money he doesn't have on uncrackable games.

1. 窮玩家
盜版就是一切，僅僅就是因為沒有錢買遊戲，通常是在不富裕的國家，也許是失業或者只能勉強餬口，對正版遊戲預算不夠。


2. Punishing Pirate

Pirates to punish publishers and developers he holds a grudge against. This person only buys games from people he wants to support. They somewhat irrationally will still play and enjoy c**ain games from devs or publishers they hate but they won't give them money for this. EA is a popular target of this practice.

2. 怨念玩家
玩盜版只是看不爽開發商和發行商。這類人只買自己支持的遊戲，這些人有些無恥，他們也許會享受這個遊戲，但是不會為開發商和發行商花一分錢。EA就是這些人的主要目標。


3. Testing Pirate

Pirates everything first, then buys it if he likes it. This person isn't actually a pirate, they just don't accept that there aren't any demos **e so they use piracy to demo games to evaluate if the game is worth it. Won't spend money on an uncrackable game before testing it at a friends or lending it.

3.試玩玩家
先試玩了再說，如果喜歡了在買。這個不算是真正的盜版消費者，他們只是不能接受沒有任何試玩的遊戲，所以他們先用盜版看看是否值得購買。在試玩過盜版或朋友借來遊戲試玩前，是不會發錢去買的。


People will generally buy what they like when they can. DRM has no influence on that. Even if every game out there came with uncrackable DRM forever. I sincerely doubt that there would be significantly more sales. On the contrary, sales might actually go down. It would probably be great for lending services though because they would suddenly be really popular again.

人們一般只是買自己喜歡的東西，DRM對其影響不了，即使以後發售的每個遊戲都用不可破解的加密系統，我也相當懷疑他會有更高的銷量。相反，不用銷量就會降低，說不定因為大受歡迎而擁有一個巨大的租賃市場。

1+3=Bingo. You got it tight on spot.Someone should publish it in some magazine to crush those pesky pirate haters.

1和3中槍，你說到點子上了，得有人把你的文章發表在雜誌上來打那些虛偽衛道者的臉。

Thanks for the kind words. I wasn't sure if typing all that would be worth the time.

感謝美言，我不太確定這時候發表這些意見是否有意義。

I feel like I'm going to downvote you so I can upvote you twice ;)

我真想給你兩次點贊。


It was worth the time! I've read everything and I 100% agree with you.
It's good to know that there are still intelligent people like you on the internet, I just wish more people would understand what you wrote and do something about it.

你說的很有意義，我完全同意你的評論。網上至少還有你種明白人，我希望更多的人會理解你所說的一切。

Not "more people", just the developers, publishers and such video game industry sections that should hear the voice of people and understand the reasons of piracy, cause they probably think that we are just greedy, we want to save our money for something else, so I'm saving by pirating games which I can afford anyway at any time. Not to mention how greedy is EA.

業界應該聽聽人們用盜版的理由。因為他們大概會認為我們僅僅是貪婪，我們只是想存點錢幹點其他事，所以我為了省錢只好去用盜版，更何況用的是EA的盜版。

the true is that the companys cant fight pirates... but this companys are the worst...
they lie customers, BUT they cant lie about numbers.... the numbers you posted here. about sells and eveything. and we are talking about aaa tittles.
100% with you.

事實是，遊戲公司根本打擊不了盜版，但是這個公司更噁心。
他們欺騙了玩家，但是他們欺騙不了數據，你在這發佈的關於銷售和其他的數據，還有我們這些討論。
100%挺你。

The truth is ALWAYS worth the time. ;)

真相總是有價值的。

On internet it usually isn't :p But you're still 100% right pretty much.

互聯網不總是對的 但你100%正確不能更多。

Never fully read a comment but yours. Keep it up!

我通常不會看完評論，你的例外。繼續！

but you understand that FIFA is a sports game?
it is logical that it is sold as bread, then bought super console, and I think it's difficult to crack.
Dragon age does not sell s**t. I'm staying in the shelves (at least here in Italy).
I know friends who are eager to crack but my other friends disappointed to have spent on that game. Why?

但是你知道FIFA是體育遊戲嗎？
他賣的像白菜一樣是符合邏輯，所以之後他們就買了一個超級難破的加密。
還有龍騰世紀賣的並不差（至少在意大利），因為我現在就貨架旁。
最後我不明白那些渴望破解的朋友幹嘛老打擊已經花錢買了遊戲的人？

Sr, your post deserves a prize. I've always thought that the only thing that a company achieves using DRM is to annoy their real customers. The number of people that would be willing to pay for a game for the sole reason it cannot be pirated is almost non existent. the pirate that don't want or can't pay for a game will play something else if such game cannot be pirated. Witcher 3 will show the world that DRM free games can sell far better than games with intrusive DRM

老兄，你的評論應該拿個獎。我一直認為那些加密程序僅僅是讓他們真正的客戶不爽。有多少人是因為這個遊戲沒有盜版才它的。如果一個遊戲不能破解，玩家們不願買或者沒錢買，他們就會去玩別的。巫師3將證明就算沒有加密 也能比那些用了煩人加密的遊戲賣的更多。

Just look at sony.
Ps3 was pirate free for many years, they fought it and fought it and tried to keep it that way but ironicly that didnt do anything.
Yoshida has said only 4/10 sony exlusives sell.
I am sure thats not because of piracy but simply people not buying those games, if the pc piracy argument was true and x360 being hackable, ps3 would have super high sales......but they didnt.


就看看SONY
PS3已經破解了好多年，人們整天的黑它噴它。
但吉田修平表示賣出去的獨佔遊戲也只佔了4/10左右。
所以我很確定，不是因為有盜版，人們就不買這個遊戲了。如果PC盜版的論點是對的，那麼當年XBOX360被破解時，PS3遊戲銷量應該爆表了才對。。。但它沒有。

funny thing is that Denuvo is sony's doing

有趣的是Denuvo就是SONY做的。

i know that. I wonder if it will save ps4.

是的，我只想知道那東西是否能拯救PS4

I'm the 1st type sadly...
After I pay all my bills I'm left with what would be about $200 to live with for the rest of the month.
I can't just give almost half of it for 1 game...
If I don't pirate the game, i can't play it. Simple as that. So is it really so bad that I do it? If I didn't, the companies still wouldn't get any money, so they are not actually losing anything. At least when I pirate, I can tell my friends who can afford to buy the game that it is good, and that they should get it.

悲劇的是，我正好就是第一類型。
當我付完了所有的賬單，大概還剩下200美刀左右，還要熬過這個月剩下的這麼多天。。。（才3號。。。）
我不能為了一個遊戲花了將近一半的錢。。
如果沒有盜版遊戲，我就玩不了，就這麼簡單。所以我這樣做就很壞嗎。就算我不用盜版，遊戲公司也賺不到一毛錢，所以對他們來說也不是什麼損失。
不過至少我用盜版的時候，我會提醒朋友們，如果買的起正版還是去買的好。

Was living in the same situation for a long time. Always bought games on sales. It usually cost you 5-10 bucks for 3-4 good games in bundle. Not so much I think

我長時間面臨著和你同樣的處境。總想著買促銷遊戲，就是那種花5-10美刀就能買到3-4個捆綁的好遊戲，不過我想估計沒這好事。。

I live in Africa, here, we can't buy anything online (At least in my contry)
I'd like to buy legit copies but publisher don't bother to ship their games here!
So what ? because I had the bad luck to be born in a third world country I can't enjoy games ?
Hell, they don't even list my country in their website, so as long as I have no choice i'll pirate video games

我在非洲，在這，都沒法網上購物（至少我們國家就不行）
我倒是想買正版啊，但是出版商根本就沒打算在這賣！！
所以說？就因為我倒霉活在**？我就不能玩遊戲了？
他妹的，他們甚至都不在網站上列出我的國家。所以，我沒得選，只能玩盜版了。

Videogames are not an entitlement. And let's be honest if the game was for sale there you'd pirate it anyway.

電子遊戲並非是 一種權利，老實說吧，一個遊戲上市了，你是不是到處找他的盜版？

Funny how people will rationalize theft with any "poor me" excuse.

搞笑，人們老是把「我很窮」當作理所當然的借口。

Well if he has no intention at all of purchasing it then no sale was ever lost? I don't think you just understand you proved his point :|

好吧，他沒有意識到如果你根本就不打算買這遊戲，那損失就無從說起。我認為你不理解他的觀點。

If the piracy is theft then tell me how can I return that all stolen games to its owners.

如果用盜版就是賊，那你告訴我，我怎麼把偷來的遊戲還給你。

My steam library is worth about $2000, but I can honestly say I've only spent about $300-400.

我STEAM收藏的遊戲大概值得2000刀，不過老實說，我大概就才花了300-400刀。。

Well, you weren't bullshitting if this is your account. $375 for $1466. Well played. (paid*?)

好吧，如果你不是在吹牛，花了375刀就買到了1466刀的遊戲。干（付）得好。

lol 515 hours. I have 1900+ hours from TF2 alone :3

哈哈  515個小時，我在TF2上已經花了1900+個小時了 :3

TF2 = Dead game xD

TF2= 擼到死 XD

It's funny to see people from NA/Europe protesting about game prices. Here in Brazil, the minimum wage is R$600, in our currency. A PS4 is something like R$4000, a XOne is like R$2000 and a good PC is around R$5000. Besides that, a single game costs R$200 when it releases (on steam, where it is the cheapest). So, if you consider the basic costs of living, includig food and bills, and considering you HAVE a home, so you don't pay rental, with a minimum wage you can't even buy a game. Just to know, the value of the minimum wage is just symbolic, cause you lose around R$50-80 in taxes before you receive your wage.

看到歐美的人們都在抗議遊戲價格讓人感到很有趣，在巴西，最低工資是600美刀，以我們的消費水平來看，一台PS4就像你們要4000美刀這樣。而配置好點的PC則要5000刀。此外，一個遊戲發行時賣200刀（STEAM最便宜的）。所以，如果你的考慮生活的基本成本，包括食物和賬單，還要顧及你的家庭，就算你不用付房租，用你那點最低工資，連一個遊戲都買不起。
所以你要知道，最低工資的價值是相對性的。對於你們就像拿到工資前扣了點稅一樣。

EU has countries with s**t life. I know cause I'm in one. Here one game costs 1/3 of the minimum wage too and we already pay 1/3 of it for electricity (one of the most expensive in whole EU even though we have one of the shi**iest life standards cause f' logic).

歐盟國家的生活就像翔一樣，因為我就是其中一員。一個遊戲要花近1/3的最低工資，然後還要付1/3工資交電費（一項全歐盟最貴的生活成本儘管我們有狗屁的生活標準和邏輯）

You aren't alone man, I make like ~800/month. I have to wait for steam sales to drop the price to $5 or lower before I can buy games :/

你並不是一個人老兄，我每個月大概才賺500刀，我不得不等到STEAM的遊戲降到5刀或更低才會考慮買一個。 ：/

I make about $550/month from which i pay my bills with about $400 and then need from $50-100 for food and etc. Still i have steam account with 975 games that are worth about 9500

我把我每個月賺到550美刀付去400刀左右的賬單，還要花50-100刀左右的錢去買食物和其他什麼鬼的。但我的STEAM帳號上仍有差不多超過9500歐元的975個遊戲（是歐元，我在歐元區二級市），但是我的實際花費還不到1000歐。絕大多數的遊戲都是捆綁的或者是超大折扣才買的。（就在3天前，我才花了30美刀就買到了魔多陰影的限量版）
我的工資雖然不高，但是我沒有任何借口因為這個而不去買遊戲。即使實際上我買的只是自己喜歡的遊戲。
不要為自己用盜版而找借口，沒人在乎。如果你認為需要找理由，那也只說明你個人認為是錯的。

Why can't he give his reason, it's not up to you to tell others what to say circumstances are never that simple sir.

為什麼就不能找理由，不用你告訴別人該怎麼說，老兄，實際情況遠比這複雜。

That was not an order, just a friendly advice of an, i suppose, older (40 years old here) person.

我不是在要求，我只想提一個友好的建議。一個大叔（40歲了）

Ha with old age comes an authoritative tone, maybe I took it the wrong way.

哈，一個大叔的權威口氣，噢，也許我理解錯了。

Bullshit. Playing a videogame is not an entitlement. Nor is it essential to survival. You act like pirating because you're Loser with a crap job is no different than people that have to steal food to survive. You don't HAVE to play videogames to survive. That's the difference.

扯淡，電子遊戲不是天賦人權，也不是生存必須。你用盜版是因為你就一垃圾職業的LOSER，和那些偷東西吃的人沒什麼區別。唯一的不同是，你不會因為玩不到遊戲而掛掉。

I'm really sorry for you if you just want to "survive".

如果你只是為了「生存」，我真替你感到難過。

First and foremost . There are things called hobbies in this world . Is playing a guitar essential for your survival ? Offcourse not . People like to play games . And i think that you are not aware that there are some countries in world that didn't get good billing systems for buying a video game . There are also countries where some games (Dragon age Inquisition, in this case) are prohibited (India , in this case). So there is no legal way to buy a game there . The only way to play DAI in India is to get it by means of piracy .

首先，這世界上有種東西叫業餘愛好，彈吉他是你生存必須嗎？當然不是。人們喜歡打遊戲，還有我認為你並沒有意識到這個世界的很多國家沒有好的途徑去買遊戲。還有就是在一個國家有些遊戲是被禁止的（在印度，龍騰世紀審判就是這樣）。所以在那裡沒有一個合法的途徑去購買遊戲，所以如果想玩龍騰世紀審判唯一辦法的就是玩盜版。

If you were in a private beach, and you found a beautiful seashell that you really liked, would you take it? Even though it wasn't your beach? Would the owner go bankrupt if you took it? Is anyone gonna even notice? Only you would know, and no one lost anything.
I posted my reasons for pirating so that people would know that pirating, as many things in life, is not just black and white.
Does it really matter if I pirate a game or not? There are no losers here. The company didn't lose anything because of me, and I got to play a game I couldn't afford.

如果你在一個私人海灘，你發現了一個漂亮的海貝，你會拿走嗎？即使那不是你的沙灘？如果你拿走了是不是沙灘的主人就破產了？還是有人特意是注意到你的舉動？只有你自己知道，這根本就沒什麼損失。
我把我的理由發出來，這樣人們就知道我為什麼用盜版了。就像生活的很多事，並非就是非黑即白。
我用不用盜版是否真的那麼重要嗎？根本就沒有輸家，遊戲公司不會因為我就失去任何東西。
我要開始玩我買不起的遊戲了。

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本文轉自Stage 1

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